I beg your pardon, Mr Speaker. Apparently this matter has just been resolved. Thank you very much for updating my information. I am glad that this matter has been resolved because the delegates to the seminar spent a lot of time discussing this matter. The point to stress is that the union represents over 10,000 workers in hotels, restaurants and various industries within the tourist sector and I think it will benefit our tourism development programme if we have the union represented in the Board, so that they can effectively link the policies of the Government and the Board with the problems at grassroots levels. Finally, with regard to the Ministry of Finance, I would like to comment on the statistical development. I support the Minister's proposal to undertake a census of population in 1980. I hope he can report to this House at a later stage on the progress of preparation undertaken by his Ministry. Aside from population data. the Minister has not made any mention about the data on Civil Service performance. I say this because way back in 1960 there was a President's Commission on the development of research and statistical services in Government departments. In fact, specific recommendations were made by that Commission on plans to improve statistical services by the Ministries of Labour, National Development and Health. I would like to ask, if it is possible, whether the Minister could report to the House on the progress of the implementation of the Commission's recommendations. If it is possible, I would also like to ask if he could indicate whether there is a need for other Ministries, not covered by that Commission's report, to also take steps to develop fu ll-fledged research and statistical services. With regard to the Civil Service terms and conditions of service, I support the Minister's proposal to improve the terms and conditions of employees and to make them comparative with the private sector. I agree that priority must be given to developing a strong corps of administrators, and it is important for us to attract the best in a competitive way with the private sector. In this programme, the issue must not be just to attract them but also to ensure that they remain and serve in the Civil Service with greater dedication and conviction. I also hope that the Ministry has plans to improve the terms and conditions of Government employees in the lower grades, including the Public Daily Rated Employees. There was no mention in the Minister's Addendum about staff assessment problems. I know that the Government is using Staff Confidential Reports but there have been discussions which indicate that this reporting system is far from adequate, especially if we are to assess Government employees on matters like character and commitment. I had the privilege of presenting my comments to the Head of the Civil Service early last year, and he assured me that the Public Service Commission would review the staff evaluation system. I wonder if the Minister could report to this House the progress on this matter and whether the Ministry has plans to revamp the staff performance system. Let me now be permitted to comment on Defence. The Minister has told us that the basic build-up of the SAF is practically completed. Steps are now being taken to improve the quality of the personnel, development of leadership, improve the Reservist Corps, and the control of drugs. However, there is no mention about whether or not the Minister will encourage the national servicemen to take an active part in community service. I am aware that the SAF personnel have been active in helping MPs in numerous gotong-royong projects, but I think the SAF can do much more than this. The Ministry of Defence should realise the need to help the national servicemen to understand the problems of community service, and to know how and why they should be actively involved in community service. To me, this is important because in the long run nearly all adults in Singapore would have gone through National Service and I do not see why we should not prepare them to be more involved in community service. Another reason why I recommend this is that through SAF there is a greater chance for us to get more professionals to gear themselves to take active positions in community service projects. If this is achieved, then the problems of attracting more professionals to voluntary service in civic organisations could be effectively resolved. With greater community involvement there is a chance for the Army and the community to understand and respect each other. If this is achieved, then all will be well because the high technical or technological standards and capability which we have built up in our Army will be consolidated by strong and abiding grassroot support of the ordinary citizen. With regard to the Ministry of Labour, I have a few points to raise. I share the concern on problems of occupational safety. My view is that while it is necessary to review present policies and introduce better ones, it is more important to make sure that there are proper and effective enforcement and monitoring programmes. it is no good having excellent laws and regulations but which are not properly enforced. The statements on labour-management relations are a bit lopsided. It is not fair, by implication, to keep on blaming workers for failing to work hard or to accumulate and develop skills. There are, of course, workers who lack diligence, who job-hop and who do not seem to appreciate the value of work ethics. However, these problems, more often than not, are the result of inefficient and inconsiderate management. By this, I do not mean that management are intrinsically or wilfully bad. I am more concerned with the unwitting failure of top management not knowing what is happening at grassroots level. There is also inadequate public discussions about the responsibilities of managers. On the workers' part, the NTUC have undertaken various educational services and workers' education programmes and are really attempting to educate the workers about their responsibilities, obligations and the need to work hard. On the other hand, there is no corresponding concern and interest on the part of management to do similar programmes for their members. I know that many companies have undertaken their own internal management education programmes. But, to my mind, this is not enough. Managers must also be educated on their broader responsibilities and obligations. They must understand the social, economic and political imperatives of Singapore and, in context, what their roles should be. The Labour Minister's Addendum also does not discuss a very important subject of night shift or shift work. I think there is an urgent need to study this matter because more and more Singaporeans are required to perform night shift or shift work and also because, without night shift and shift work, I do not think our industrialisation programme can achieve its maximum potential and capacity. These studies should show what effects night work has on workers, their families and their community life. Is night work medically harmful to workers? If it is, is it more harmful to men or women? If it is harmful to either party, or both, what steps should be taken and what specialised or new social services are required in the factory or community? It is good to note that the Ministry will review the Employment Act but nothing is mentioned as to what the objectives of this review are, why it must be done, what criteria will be used to select those parts of the Act to be changed, and why? Another problem which is building up, but has not been adequately discussed by the Minister, concerns the increasing number of workers joining the service industry. This trend has already been seen in many industrialised economies and there has been so much discussion on this problem in those countries. Yet our Ministry has not indicated in the Addendum that urgent attention has been given to this. I think this is important because so far our labour policies have been directed more towards problems of industrial workers. This must be so in the past and perhaps also in the future because of the importance of the manufacturing sector, but we must not ignore the increasing importance of the service industry. Sir, I would like to ask if the Minister could keep us informed about this particular problem. The next point is workmen's compensation. With the very kind permission of my colleague, the Member for Moulmein, I would like to know whether it is true that workmen's compensation does not cover accidents involving teachers in school premises. If this is not included, what is the rationale? I would like to ask the Ministry to review this because there should be some form of protection for teachers who could be injured in accidents in laboratories or for any other reasons involved with their school and professional duties. Next is National Development, and I think this subject is too large, I prefer to reserve this for the forthcoming debate. I would only like to raise a few points and this concerns the ethics of officers in the HDB and also in the Ministry of National Development. Firstly, is there a standing instruction in the Ministry on how fast or how slow replies should be given to letters from members of the public and Members of Parliament? From the cases I have seen, it appears that there is a policy that in so far as replies to MPs are concerned, take your time. The second problem concerns officers who go round taking surveys of families affected by resettlement programmes. I must commend the Resettlement Department for tackling the resettlement problem magnificently. I know there are problems, given the complexity of the exercise. But I have received many complaints from my constituents in Kampong Kembangan and also in Kampong Ubi which I look after on behalf of Tuan Haji Ya'acob bin Mohamed. At the time of the survey, which may be one, two or three years before actual reallocation, the families were told not to worry and were given assurance that they would be given flats. But now there are cases where the constituents come and tell me that the HDB will not give them flats even though they were promised a flat at the time of the survey. I think this makes the job of MPs much more difficult because it is difficult to prove whether this has happened. And I normally avoid getting embroiled with the staff of the HDB on this matter. But I think it is very important for the Ministry officials and HDB officials to make an effort to make it clear whether a person is eligible for a flat on resettlement, with priority or without. If they are not eligible, I think, to be fair to them, the officials should tell them in advance so that they can register for a flat at an earlier date. I agree with the comments of the Member for Changi about unauthorised structures. I have had the privilege of getting wonderful assistance from the former Senior Minister of State for National Development and the present Senior Minister of State in tackling many problems of unauthorised structures. I agree that some structures need to be pulled down. But the point stressed by the Member for Changi is correct: in many cases the structures have been in existence for many years and it is impossible for the owners to produce proof. I think the Ministry should give due regard to this problem. On the Ministry of Health, the programmes set out by the Minister are consistent with my conception of what health services should be, and I fully support him in his approach to give priority to primary health care and health education. My only comment is to suggest the need to give greater consideration and interface between various sectors and institutions in the health-care system that, in this scheme of things, it is imperative that the Ministry develops and upgrade the monitoring and evaluation system. The best way is perhaps to review the recommendations of the President's Commission on the development of research and statistical unit for health development and to consider further improvements. The Ministry of the Environment should be commended for having successfully expanded its water and air pollution control services. I think it has also done creditably in drainage development programmes. But two matters, I think, require discussion. Let me take hawkers first. I am not too sure whether there are really 27,500 hawkers in Singapore. Presumably, these are stallholders who are selling in markets and food centres and who are licensed by the Hawkers Department of the Ministry. But I know there is another category of hawkers who are administratively defined as "stallholders" but licensed by the Public Health District Offices and not by the Hawkers Department. For purposes of overall planning, the Ministry should resolve this question as to whether these stallholders should not rightly be defined as "hawkers" as well. If this is done, then the number of hawkers in Singapore will be very much more than 27,500. The second point concerns public toilets. I support the plan to improve the management and standard of hygiene.in public toilets. However, I do not know whether this can be achieved solely through enforcement methods. The managements of shopping complexes, cinemas, restaurants and bus terminals must be made more aware and more concerned about this problem. Of course, the public themselves must be involved. But, to be fair to them, it is not possible for the public to flush when the flush is faulty, or always to tip-toe when the floor is so dirty because nobody washes it. I have already raised a number of points on Social Affairs. I just have one or two more points. If we look at the Minister of Culture's Addendum, we would have seen the steps he has taken to seek the involvement and support of private cultural organisations. I think the Ministry of Social Affairs should adopt the same approach. There are about 2,400 registered societies in Singapore. My guess is that 60% of them are societies which are connected with the rendering of social and welfare services at grassroots level. In this sense, I think they can play a greater role towards upgrading the social services in our Republic. It will do us a great deal of good if the Ministry takes steps to hold regular dialogues with these associations and their leaders to see how they can be more involved and make more wider contributions in the field of social services. Another point which I am quite doubtful about is that societies are registered by the Home Affairs Ministry but many of the problems affect the Social Affairs Ministry. I do not know whether there is any link or interface between the Home Affairs Ministry and the Social Affairs Ministry. Another point which I would like to raise concerning the Ministry of Social Affairs is whether the Ministry could carry out an urgent study about certain creditable civic organisations and whether they deserve some special support. The support I am thinking of is by way of seconding experts from Government departments, or even private organisations by invitation, to serve full-time for a specific period to help upgrade the administration and management of social services undertaken by these civic organisations. I say this because many civic organisations are doing a very good service, but they are facing serious problems of ensuring a consistent and vigorous management leadership in the planning and implementation of community programmes. With regard to the Majlis Ugama Islam of Singapore which, of course, comes under the Ministry of Social Affairs, I prefer to reserve this for the Budget debate. The only point I would like to mention here concerns the proposal to review the Administration of Muslim Law Act. It would be useful if the Minister could in the very near future indicate why it is necessary to review the Act now. What are the points or issues which need to be rationalised? What are the criteria that he will use in making these changes? And will he seek active consultation with persons in the civic organisations and the community at large to ensure that these amendments are consistent, not only with solving problems or upgrading present services but also in managing problems of the future? I have already made some mention about education. In fact, I have chosen not to spend too much time on it because I am eager to learn what the full recommendations of Dr Goh and his team of systems analysts are. I do not know whether these recommendations will be forthcoming but it is worth waiting for them because it will show us clearly whether the programmes of the Ministry are really firm and whether they will be implemented on a long term basis. The Education Ministry, in a recent case especially, gave us very little notice about the very major changes in educational policy. I think this is not fair. I think it is necessary for the Ministry to give the public some notice about impending changes. This raises a second point: is it possible for the Ministry to consider how, and to what extent, community leaders, including Members of Parliament, can be involved in formulating and reviewing new proposals on educational policies? In fact, one Member said to me a very interesting recommendation as to whether or not educational policies, especially the major ones, could be made the subject of a White Paper to be submitted to the House for study and debate by Members. Regarding the proposal on feedback and monitoring to be undertaken by the Ministry, it will be useful if the Minister could tell the House how the Ministry will implement the feedback and monitoring exercise. What criteria it will use, and how this feedback and monitoring programme will benefit not only in the formulation of educational policies but also in ensuring that the programmes are effectively implemented. For Culture, my only remark at this juncture is that there is an urgent need to review the People's Association programme. I have had the privilege of having discussions with the Director and we agreed that P.A. is not a private corporation. It is a national body concerned with national problems and it must reflect the aspirations and future problems of the whole nation. I would like to reserve my discussion on this in the Budget debate. Home Affairs. I fully share the views of the Member for Khe Bong about drug problems and the need to get employment for ex-drug addicts released from rehabilitation centres. In Kampong Kembangan we have been lucky to emplace 150 ex-addicts to profitable employment. All these jobs have been offered by private companies. I had difficulty in getting these ex-addicts emplaced in Government departments. I think it is important for us to review this because, in the final analysis, the success of rehabilitation will depend on the degree to which these drug addicts have a way to redeem their self-esteem through getting decent employment. I am sorry to have taken so much time, Mr Speaker. Taken as a whole the Ministerial Addenda to the Presidential Address have adequately covered many important issues that should be looked into in the immediate years and, with the record that we have achieved and the momentum that we have built, I am confident that we should be able to overcome the gloomy economic growth that the President has timely reminded us in his Address. Of the three issues mentioned by the President, the conflict in Indo-China and the problem of the next political leadership are also very important matters which deserve serious attention. I wholeheartedly support the statement by the ASEAN leaders recently released by the Indonesian Foreign Minister. With ASEAN's credibility as a serious-minded regional organisation, I am confident that what we say and what we do will go a long way towards gaining the attention and respect of the big powers and countries involved in this conflict. With our active participation in resolving this regional problem, we should be able, if not solve the problem, to at least minimise its implications. As to the question of future political leadership, this is another point which, I think, is critical. This matter has attracted the deep concern of the Hon. Prime Minister who has taken special pains to seek, test and groom up candidates for the future leadership. It is indeed very rare for us to find a political system where current leaders who hold power take serious steps to prepare others to take over from them. In fact, there are more examples to the contrary. I also fully support the concluding reminder from the President that "it is the quality of the political leadership that is decisive." He emphasised the importance for us to have the commitment and willingness to look for future leaders, give them the experience and time to understand the demands of leadership. I am especially moved by the President's emphasis on the need to develop camaraderie amongst leaders. In the final analysis, I think this is the crux of successful leadership in Singapore. The Prime Minister and his close Cabinet colleagues and also the top leaders in the Government departments, the trade union movement and even in selected private sectors, are people who have enjoyed a high degree of camaraderie amongst themselves, for they have undergone together the tough battles of our formative years. In fact, in their case, they were first friends and then leaders. This esprit de corps enables them to discuss and review problems openly, frankly and sincerely. I think this is the formula - the spirit of camaraderie which is the best guarantee for us to build up the top leadership of the Republic of Singapore. 3.40 p.m.