Also Tung Tao Chang, yes. They did not want to preserve Chinese culture. They wanted to fan Chinese chauvinism and create upheaval, agitation, eventually riots against the other communities in order to collect votes. They were against multi-racial and multi-religious harmony. I do not think anybody here is. I do not believe Mr Chiam is - nor should anybody be. The very least we have achieved after all these years of nation building is that the form of words - multi-racial, multi-religious tolerance and harmony is conceded, and nobody says, "I'm going for my race." Whether that is deep is not clear. But at least, in polite discourse, you do not take the opposite, disastrous line. So are we or are we not in favour of these four basic values? You might have one or two others perhaps. But these four, that is what the National Ideology is. If we are, then I think we proceed. If you do not like the term "Ideology", if it confuses people, or sounds pretentious or ominous, change. Call it, "A Singapore Spirit"; call it "Shared values", whatever you will. I think Members have yet time to think out suggestions, which we will consider. But, do we or do we not want to preserve these values? If we do, then I think we are in agreement. Confucianism is not one of these four. I think many elements in Confucianism will fit these four virtues, because the sense that the community matters, the sense that the family matters, the sense that we work together, and we should be tolerant, are entirely compatible with many Confucian precepts. I do not have to cite them. The Member for Jurong just now cited a couple, and I am sure many other Members will. Should we say, just with a whitewash brush, that Confucianism, that is old hat, let's throw it away? The Red Guards said that during the Cultural Revolution in China, just throw it away. These are all old things; destroy the temples; demolish the idols; burn the books; are the new people in the new world. Why do we want to do that? What will we start with? A white slate, or a vacuum? We have to amend what is in Confucianism because it is not all up to date; does not all make sense any longer; was never designed for Singapore. But do not forget: a large part of our population are still holding those values. And, in fact, those are some of the values which are holding the Chinese part of the community together. To say that we should drop them is to tell this part of the population, "You just change. And if you can't change, make sure your child grows up different from you." You try doing that to one of our Muslim colleagues here, or one of our Tamil colleagues here, and say, "You stop being a Muslim. That's un-Singaporean." Or, "Please don't wear a turban. The majority of us don't." That is what being a melting pot means. Do we want to become such a melting pot? What are the ingredients for this rojak? 75% Chinese, 15% Malays, 10% Indians, a few Eurasians and others. Now, you have seen Singapore art, wall murals, many of them - one Indian dancer, one Chinese lion dance, two Malays either with a kompang or doing a Malay dance, and MRT in the background. That's Singapore. That is not a melting pot. That is each community remaining itself. If you seriously want a melting pot, I will first ask you, all right, what flavour soup are you looking for? Do you want a Muslim soup, a Christian soup, a Hindu one, or one in which there is no religion, because we cannot agree, so we all abandon? Do you want one which speaks Chinese, the language of the majority; or one which speaks English, because that is the language of none of us in the first instance, or do you want a soup so bland that there is no taste, in which case, we all de-culturalize? Let us forget about Indian-ness and Chinese-ness and Malay-ness, and let us all become - I do not know what colour - grey? Or better still, transparent? Will we still be here? How many non-Chinese MPs would prefer to take that route? So the non-Chinese are going to keep their cultures, and rightly so I believe, because that is what makes them what they are. How does it help them, if the Chinese becomes de-culturalized? And "de-culturalized" does not just mean transparent, because something moves in to fill the vacuum. You will give up ancestor worship or Taoism, you will believe in Christianity or some other religion. You will give up values which you have, like from the Confucian tradition, but you will grow up with some other attitudes and views which, whatever they are, cannot be neutral, because no set of attitudes and views is ever neutral. Will that be good for the minority, never mind whether it is good for the Chinese? Will it help to make us one nation? I doubt. Really, when you put all this down - if I may interpret the concerns and the hesitations behind what is expressed about the National Ideology - the worry is individualism versus the community. In other words, am I going to have my personal identity, my personal uniqueness, my ineffable spirit, squashed down in order to fit in to a community, the way the North Koreans squashed their population, and other totalitarian governments do? That is the concern, is it not? We have individualistic drives in us. Of course. Every society does. And it is strong in Singaporeans. I am chairing this Advisory Council on Youth. One of the strongest feedbacks we have from the exercise is thatevery young person in Singapore wants to move up, because he wants to get ahead. If he has N levels, he wants to go to VITB. If he has 0 levels, he wants to go to the Polytechnic or A levels. If he has A levels, he definitely wants to go to some University. And if he has a University degree, can he get a Master's, preferably an MBA? It is a drive to get ahead, ahead of the other person. It is a constructive drive because that motivation to do well has helped them to succeed. But at the same time, it must also be complemented with a sense of group solidarity, so that you do not just get ahead one by one, but as a team. That is what we are looking for. We are not going to submerge that drive. We are not going to suppress persons. But we would like Singaporeans to be balanced, to be able to fit in to the group and at the same time express themselves and fulfill their potential. That is all we are talking about. We are not talking about making zombies of Singaporeans. There is no danger. You cannot do that. We will fail. But just shift the balance some, from forgetting your communitarian links and bonds to reinforcing them and holding back the process of dissoluton. That is all. Individual rights and freedoms, they are guaranteed in the Constitution. What about society's rights and entitlements? They are not guaranteed in the Constitution. We are looking for a National Ideology to redress this balance a little. The Member for Potong Pasir yesterday asked Mr Shanmugam whether he believes the Ideology should also contain a recital of all the rights and freedoms. I think Mr Shanmugam gave him the right answer when he said, "They are already in the Constitution." I would go further. The National Ideology is not going to be a constitutional document. It is a summary of our views. It is a credo. It is something which we will believe in, but it cannot have the force of law. Because we can prevent somebody from infringing on your freedom, but cannot force you to be considerate to others. To take yesterday's argument to the logical conclusion, the answer is not to put freedoms into the National Ideology. It is to put the National Ideology into the Constitution, same way that Pancasila is in the constitution of Indonesia. And then they will be of equal status. I do not advocate that. I do not think it is necessary. It will be felt as shoving something down people's throats. But if we see it in perspective, that is what it is about. We want to redress the balance. We are not going to be like the North Koreans. We cannot even be like the Japanese. We are different. But do we want to evolve conservatively? Or do we want to proceed pell-mell and say, "All's well, hell bells." I would proceed conservatively. Lastly, this other hesitation which people have, that all this is just a political ploy. Mr Chiam repeated it and says, "It's just to prevent a few more Opposition Members from getting into Parliament." Whether or not you have a National Ideology is not going to influence the outcome of the next three elections, at least. We are talking about the next generation. What are we concerned about? We are not concerned about a few more Opposition Members in Parliament, like the Member for Potong Pasir or the Non-Constituency Member, Dr Lee. They are part of the system. As long as Singaporeans have a consensus and can gel and can support one government which is honest, capable, trustworthy and intrepid, I think we are all right. It does not have to wear the PAP badge. But if Singaporeans become fractious and divided, and whoever is the government, two-thirds of Singaporeans outside are throwing stones at it, or worse, whatever the election, no party can acquire a majority and you spend 56 days manoeuvring, negotiating, forming coalitions in order to create the next Cabinet, as indeed the Israelis have recently done and chronically do partly because of their system, but also because there is not that national consensus, that is what we are worried about. I do not know whether the Prime Minister will one day be Mr Chiam. But if he is, I do not think he will find this a very governable place, and I do not think Singaporeans would particularly enjoy that sort of a country either. That is what we are guarding against when trying to establish a National Ideology. Thank you, Mr Speaker. 3.50 pm