Mr Speaker, it is rather a thin House and I do not propose to take up too much time, but there are a few points I think I must make. I want to deal with certain matters of policy in my Ministry but I think I ought to deal, first, with a certain economic aspect of the whole Budget and the whole Singapore situation. We have been having a lot of very interesting comments about details in the Estimates: whether you make a grant to the Automobile Association, and so on - I will have a word about that - but what we have not had really, as I can see, is anybody from the Opposition attempting to give an overall picture of the future economy of Singapore. My hon. Friend the Financial Secretary did quote from Sir Sydney Caine's memorandum some very useful points which have not been touched on by the Opposition and, on the contrary, the general theme of the Opposition may be summarised in the remarks of the leader of the Liberal-Socialist Party who, apart from saying that the Government was creating an impression that taxation was necessary and then saying that there was no need for increased taxation, finally said that all additional taxes were unnecessary and that the Government should drop each and every one of them. The Member for Queenstown (Mr Lee Choon Eng) said the same, I think. Now I stand up with some timidity, but unashamed, Mr Speaker, as an advocate of higher taxation because this country of Singapore must get more capital investment. We need therefore to create savings and form capital on a national scale. The need arises from the fact that in Singapore one and one do not make two, but one and one make 3.9, that is, if one and one are a man and a woman, the average household is 3.9 people, if you like to transform that into a demographic projection, it means that you have an annual increase of four per cent in your population and that this is perhaps the highest population increase in the world. It beats Puerto Rico. This increase in the population is an increase in dependants rather than an increase in productive workers. You can take a look at the 1955 Annual Report which gives you a nice tabulated figure diagram showing the population structure of Singapore with its enormous mass of infants, tapering up to the workers and at the very top, the old. By a little simple arithmetic and guesswork, you can project that forward, without being a mathematician, into a reasonable guess as to what the future population will be. We may have another quarter of a million people on this island in the next five years but of that quarter of a million, only 50,000 or 60,000 will be an addition to the working force and the rest - about 200,000 or so, give or take a few thousands - will be an addition to the dependants, the children and the aged. The effect of that - if you like to break it down - is roughly that one worker in Singapore has to provide for the needs not only of himself but also of two dependants; and as the population goes five, ten, fifteen, twenty years forward, that situation will go on and the number of dependants will increase relatively to the number of workers. In the lifetime of this Assembly - some Members of this Assembly and not the body as a whole - we may have three million persons trying to live on this island and that will be very largely a consuming and not a producing population. If you increase the number of people who are eating out of the rice bowl, Mr Speaker, then the amount that each one gets will decrease. The only answer to this increasing number of dependants in this increasing population is to make the rice bowl bigger; in other words, to increase our total national production, and you cannot increase total national production without investing capital in the equipment which you need for production. If we go on as we are, we are condemned to a fall in the standard of living and no pious hopes and no suggestion that we do not tax the drivers of motor cars are going to make any difference to that. There will not be enough to go round unless we invest very considerably. If we are going to improve the standard of living, we must invest at a still higher rate, for productivity depends partly on equipment and partly on skill, and both these are matters in which you have to have investment on a national scale if you are going to meet national needs. With this idea of investment in mind, the Labour Front put in, as the first item in its four-year programme, a detailed survey of the national wealth in order that planning could go forward. I am not proposing, Mr Speaker, to take up the time of this House with a lot of arguments about the gross national product, the net national income, the ratio of investment to production, and the annual net capital formation, but we can, I think, be satisfied with the simple statement that we have got to have a very large investment and that it is going to be very difficult to get enough capital to invest. I hope it will not be too long before far more competent persons than myself in the economic advisory unit do produce something which can be made public so that the brains of this Assembly can really study this problem of getting sufficient capital investment over the next few years. I am content, Sir, to say that we must invest and I have just remarked that investment means, of course, - one Member of this Assembly referred to "investing" in gambling - in things which are productive. We must also assess priorities within our investment programme so as to get the most productive use of the capital. Certain items are obvious. If we are going to keep up technologically, we must have education and schools. If we are going to have a reasonable number of hours of work per worker in a year's work, we have to keep the people fit and healthy; we have to have health services. As housing is a basic preventive health measure, we have to provide as far as we can decent standards of housing. Those are not to be thought of as welfare services in the sense that you pity people and say, "Of course, he has not got an education." They are vital to the economic future of the country. It is very proper and right that they should be regarded as "welfare" in the sense that they do provide for welfare but they are not charitable needs based on pitying people. They are vital because you need the people to build the country and you have to have a fit, healthy, trained and skilled population to meet our needs. Another field of investment covers the services provided publicly for communications, for trade, commerce and industry; our sea port, airport, telecommunications, postal, water supply, power stations, drainage and all the rest of these obvious things. The points I have mentioned so far have been traditionally left in the field of public investment. They come out in the Estimates and in the Development programme and you can see what they are, but they only account for 50 or 60 per cent of the total capital investment in a place like Singapore. Most of the studies of this kind of thing are related to other types of economy but commerce and industry are traditionally left to the private sector of investments. How far that is necessary, I do not know. It appears to me to be necessary at present that a considerable area of the economy should be left to the private sector, but there is already continuous pressure in this Assembly from the Opposition for the Government to start interfering with commerce and industry, assisting them, subsidising them, strengthening them and providing them with funds, and so on, and I think that is probably not only a right policy from the socialist point of view but also a neces sary policy from any practical point of view. Now if we are going to get this capital for investment, we have to ask, "Where?" We can either get it from our own resources or we can get it from overseas. If we are not going to have heavy rates of taxation, increasingly heavy rates, then we have got to go overseas for that money. We can go to Great Britain or America and ask, "Will you give us a grant? In other words, give us a handout. We have no money and we need money. Give us foreign exchange so that we can import the equipment we want for our factories or communication centres, or whatever it is." We may or we may not get the grants we need but we shall be competing for them against a great many other under-developed countries many of which may well appear to be more fruitful fields for investment. It is the same with loans. Whether they are low interest or whether they bear the normal economic interest, there again, we can try and get them but we have to compete with a lot of other people who are looking for them as well. If we go to the British Government or go to the United Nations and try to get money out of them, there will be a queue of other people and we have to take our place in the queue. We will take what we can get and when we get it, it may not be a "no-strings attached" grant or loan. It may well have some sort of strings attached. We can also try to get money from overseas by raising loans in the ordinary commercial loan market or, of course, we may get money by tempting the investor to come here and set up his factory and put his personal money or the company's money into development here. In the interest of brevity, I will not read from the remarks of Professor Paish, Professor of Economics, London University, (with special reference to Business Statistics, I think). Anyhow, he is a man of some weight in the economic world. He thinks that it is going to be exceedingly hard for a country like Singapore to get any money from the private investment field, whether by raising a loan or by getting direct investment, and he remarks that the further the country advances towards self- government - that is, a hitherto dependent Colony advances towards self-government - the smaller the chances of getting any money from the private investor. I do not know if we need to take quite so dismal a view as Professor Paish takes, but certainly we have got to reckon that our expectations of capital from overseas are going to be limited and it is right, to some extent, that we should desire to limit them because if you depend for your finance on overseas borrowing, you are mortgaging your country to the people who have lent you money. It has a colonial aspect, an aspect of economic subjection which is not very desirable. I think, therefore, that it is necessary and important, if we are going to have merdeka, for it to be economic as well as political merdeka; if it is going to be fruitful and prosperous, we should raise our own money in Singapore from our own resources. It means devoting more of the national income to investment and less to consumption. In the U.S.S.R., I believe that investment has been running since 1928 at about 25 per cent of the gross national income. The U.S.A. runs at about 15 per cent. Here I would not like to say. I am told that it may be 10 or 12 per cent and that if our population can be stabilised, we may be able to get by on our present rates of replacing depreciated capital and providing new capital for expanded development; but with our population expanding, we cannot hope to provide for them unless we very much increase or perhaps double our present rate of investment. I would remark, in passing, that when we come to the stirring debate on family planning, which I expect will be an annual feature, I hope that the anti-family planners will take note of my remarks about population and investment and will refute them in order to justify their opposition to family planning. If we are going to have savings in Singapore, we must get them in one of three ways. You can let the capitalist make profits at the expense of his workers and then, in his own judgment, he puts the profits into new investments where he thinks he will make further profits. Or the Government may tax his profits and income and luxury consumption, and the Government may put its tax money into new investments. Or the third way is that the ordinary man may be thrifty and consumes less than he might in order to invest. I cannot see any other way of getting money from our own resources. If we say, "We must tax the rich. Do not tax the poor but tax the rich", it means nothing. All you mean is that you are using the rich as a tax collector for you. Instead of paying out the money in wages to his workers, he accumulates it for you and you take it from him; he remains unpopular and the Government hides behind his back. Well, that is fair enough. In a transitional stage, that is a necessary process. You cannot abolish the fact of a capitalist organisation at once. You can only tax and gradually transform it. But you have to recognise that if you are going to use the capitalist to collect your revenue for you and then you tax him; or if he is organising the profitable enterprises for you and then this Assembly legislates itself into a position of having a claim to a large or small part of his profits; then you have got to leave enough to keep him interested. You can tax him as high as you can provided he does not say, "Well, I am not going to bother with this work for you anymore. I am not getting enough pay. I will pack up. I will sell the company and go elsewhere." But he will when he does not think he is getting enough. We do not want to bring industry to a standstill by an excessive tax on profits. What we have, in effect, been doing since this Government came into office is to ensure by policy and by legislation that a greater portion of the national income is distributed to the workers in the form of wages. That is the effect of the Labour Bill, and the Clerks and Shop Assistants legislation. It is also a general result of the way things have been going. As you distribute that proportion of the national income in wages, Sir, you increase the amount which will definitely go to consumption and which will not go to investment. Now that policy of distributing more of the national income was a right and necessary policy. Two or three years ago, one person in four of the population was living on less than a dollar a day, or a family of four on less than a hundred dollars a month. That redistribution of national income was necessary to lift part of the burden of intolerable poverty which had been imposed on that very large part of the population in the past but redistribution through wages is very inequitable. Two men work on the same standard job and receive the same standard rate of pay; one is a bachelor and the other has a household of 11 people. They have the same pay and if you treat it as a matter of contribution to production, that standard rate of pay is fair enough. If you look at it from the point of view of necessity, obviously the man who has 11 people to provide for is not going to get enough, and a bachelor will probably have too much. If we are going to get nearer to an equitable distribution of the national income, in my view, we have to supplement wage increases on the one hand by social security schemes and on the other hand by improved taxation techniques. I fully agree that where a man has a lot of dependants, you have to make some provision for him so that the dependants are looked after. A great deal is said about the Asians maintaining their parents; as far as I know, so do the people in England whose parents are in need and any person in the world will maintain his parents if they are in need. It is perfectly true that in the absence of social security, the people in Singapore do have to carry a great many more dependants and much more burden than they would if we could get the social security structure in; but where a man has no dependants - I think I am right in saying that about ten per cent of the working population in Singapore has no dependants - and he sends his money perhaps overseas to Europe and China, you ought to take another look at it. It is all very well if a man is a Malayan living here and makes his home here: by all means, let him support his dependants here, but if he is just a bird of passage whose heart is elsewhere, why should he export our wealth to his mother country? However, that is another issue. I think that we do need to construct our taxation system so as to bring the real distribution of wealth nearer to equity and nearer to sanity. We have also got to accept the principle of differentials and that you cannot equalise all incomes. You will not get the people to do the work unless there is a higher rate of pay for an engineer than for a clerk and if you make the rates of pay the same, the people will say, "We are not going to bother to be engineers; we may as well be clerks since everything is easy." You have further got to accept that an experienced engineer is worth more than an inexperienced one. The aim is not to extinguish the differentials but to make sure that nobody falls below a minimum standard of living. But if you once accept the principle of differentials in income, you have to accept also that there will be differentials in the burden of taxation in one way or another. It is only a matter of the distribution of the national income: how much can each person get out of it - whether you give him a hundred dollars and then tax him ten dollars or whether you give him ninety dollars and do not take any tax from him? It is really a book entry, but if we cannot get the money by voluntary savings, which is more comfortable or less painful, and if it has got to be taken, it must be taken in tax. We must get it somehow. I have made these remarks, Mr Speaker, Sir, because I felt, to a considerable extent, that the Members of the Opposition were launching their attack in the wrong direction. They were grumbling about the fact that it is not easy to say whether we are going to have a deficit or not on the Estimates because you cannot perhaps clear a site and therefore you cannot build a large hospital or a school - that kind of problem. I think that is fair enough but I think that they would have been more constructive if they had approached us on the other aspect, and said that we were not spending money fast enough - not throwing money away - because we were not getting enough capital investment into this country in the public sector. I do not think that they can sustain that attack because we are doing as good a job as could be done in my judgment; but at least it would have been the right line of attack for them to take, and not to go round and say that all proposals for further taxation are nonsensical. It shows a complete lack of appreciation of the situation. You have got to look ahead if you are going to be seriously running a country in this world today. Now, Mr Speaker, Sir, with relief, I abandon my notes on economic problems, which I am not particularly fitted to deal with, and will turn to some other aspects. Perhaps I might take, firstly, the newspaper report by the well known Mr Tan Lark Sye. This is a translation or a summary and I do not know that it necessarily represents him rightly or not; but this is what is given in the summary: "Local banks and other savings organisations are keeping deposits from local people totalling at least $300 to $500 million, if not $1,000 million. By investing $1 million in a factory at least 300 persons will have employment. Local capital therefore is sufficient to run hundreds of or even one thousand factories. But why don't they invest?" The answer, of course, is that if they have their capital in a savings bank or a savings organisation, it is invested because that is what the bank exists for. I am sure that Mr Sutherland does not lock up all the dollar holdings in his bank. The whole purpose of a bank is to canalise savings and to invest them. But the point that probably Mr Tan Lark Sye was approaching but could not grasp is that you have in this country a very large volume of hoarding, partly by the people who buy these gold bangles - I forget which Member of the Opposition referred to the difficulty of the poor worker who wants to buy a bangle. I should advise him not to buy it: I should advise him to make a post office savings or some other form of investment because the gold bangle will not be productive of goods and quite possibly it will be stolen. If he invests his money and gets some interest on it, he will contribute to the welfare of the country. That is one thing which could be done and I think that what Members of this House who can persuade anybody should do is to get the people to mobilise their hoardings and put them to work. Apart from the jewellery and that sort of thing, there are also people who keep dollar notes, and quite large sums locked up in a tin box in a cubicle. These sometimes get stolen and go back into circulation. From a social point of view, that is a very good thing but, of course, it is not very good for the person hoarding the money. If the people would get their hoarded savings into circulation, we would get on faster. Now I pass on to some of the attacks made on the Government. The Member for Serangoon (Mr Lim Choon Mong) pictured the Government as saying that we have no need to try and save, that the people will find the money for us and that we do not have to economise and he suggested that we were building lavishly and wasting our money on "frightful" structures and that kind of thing. We had the same sort of line from the Member for Sembawang (Inche Ahmad Bin Ibrahim) - as usual the People's Action Party follows the general Liberal Socialist line - who suggested that our schools cost as much as if they were built of marble. The Member for Ponggol-Tampenis (Mr Goh Chew Chua) referred to the prodigality of our Government's spending. Well, I am not going to deal with that in detail. I see a lot of points put down for reducing by ten dollars for this or that. No doubt, we shall get these details in the Committee of Supply. But I am going to make a few general remarks about the cost of Government buildings. First of all, I do welcome attempts by the Opposition to show us where we are building too lavishly, if we are, in fact, doing so. We are extremely conscious of the need for economy and austerity and we have set up special working parties on schools and medical buildings to try and get the cost down. We have given increased powers and extended the Public Works Standing Committee for the same purpose and we have set up the Advisory Panel on Public Buildings, again for the same purpose, and we have included on it representatives of private architects. So we have tried to provide a structure to produce economical and efficient building. If we are not succeeding, I shall be glad to know, so that we can get our buildings still more economical; but I cannot accept, unless good reasons can be given which have never been given yet, the suggestion that we are squandering money on buildings made of marble and all that sort of thing. It is just not so, as far as I can judge. It is difficult to compare the Public Works Department buildings with the sort of buildings that are done by private enterprise. There is only one authority you can compare with, and that is the S.I.T. In fact, the S.I.T. and the Public Works Department do very much the same work. As far as costs go, those two public organisations do match up very closely, which is significant; but when you try and compare our costs with the private sector, it turns out to be a matter of etiquette for architects and builders not to disclose for public comparison what the costs of their plans are. So I have not got reliable figures and am not able to say, "Well, here is a plan for 25 flats built by private enterprise and here is a plan for 25 flats built by the P.W.D. Let us have a look at them and see what the different items in the specification were, see what the costing was, see what the tenders were and see what the final building cost was." Apparently, you cannot get these figures, but if Members of the Opposition were to feel that those figures ought to be brought out, I suggest that they take it up in the Estimates Committee. Mr Speaker will be directing them and they will have the function of suggesting where economies can be made consistent with policy. I think it might be a very useful thing if they could get some experts in and, without any partiality, try to get a genuine assessment of the building industry, because the building industry is having a rather difficult time now and, in fact, contractors are tending to drop out of business. One or two have gone bankrupt; tenders are falling off and prices are rising. It might be a good thing to have a look at the causes. It is not easy therefore to make effective comparisons with the private sector but we can make comparisons with primary schools in other countries. We have now got our standard three-storeyed primary school down to a cost of $350 per pupil. That takes in the playing field and ancillary services as well as a big school. That is the average cost, of course, as one school can be more costly to construct because of the site. On the old plan, the cost was $430 per pupil and in that saving of $80 we have absorbed the current increase in prices. That is the figure at present: $350 per pupil for the school complete with its playing field and all services. In the United Kingdom, for the rather low average type of primary school, the cost is $1,190 per pupil, which is approximately three times more. Similarly, in Singapore, our secondary schools work out at $704 per pupil whilst, in the United Kingdom, they come out at $2,394. The United Kingdom builds very lavishly. Somewhere here I have a letter from a friend which came this morning. It has nothing to do with building cost, but it mentions that small children go direct to their own cloakroom from the classroom. They have pegs put up at the height of a child; the water closets have special seats and their hand-basins are special low ones with hot water laid on; each child has his own towel marked with his own symbols - cat or dog or flower, and so on. The classroom has the cloakroom next door. Well, that is a lovely school but we cannot afford it in Singapore and they do build at a higher standard in Britain, and provide more amenities. Of course, we do not have to provide heating and our wages costs form a smaller part of total costs than they do in the United Kingdom; but, nevertheless, it is very creditable indeed that our school prices should be relatively so low and if hon. Members can show us any way of getting them down further without improper sacrifices of quality, I shall personally be highly delighted. I might mention prefabricated aluminium schools made in the U.S.A. or in the U.K., and sold in South Africa - or in Britain for that matter. A single-storeyed prefabricated aluminium school costs more than the single three-storey P.W.D. standard schools.